squirreledaway | STOP! ... QUESTION TIME.

What are Emil and Ratatosk's thoughts regarding breaking up with Echo?

Emil: Feels terrible about it, but knows it was something he had to do. He feels terrible that he essentially led her on for a couple of... weeks? IC month? in his moment of weakness, because he didn't want her and Yayoi to fight. Which. Clearly didn't work! And as time went on, he remembered more and more of his own feelings for Marta. There was also the issue of him hating Zwei, and Ratatosk hating Echo. It made everything very, very complicated anyway. But... that was only a peripheral for why he needed to break up with Echo. He couldn't actually give her his heart or tell her she was his most important person.

Ratatosk: Thinks it was about damn time Emil stopped living in denial. He mostly feels relief over it-- it was the most awkward thing, dating-ish someone you can't really stand...

Sssso is Katou going to hate Emil forever for this?

Nah, Katou doesn't know Emil well enough to hate him. He basically wants to punch Emil because he hurt Echo. He actually understands and respects the idea, as Echo presented it, that Emil broke it off rather than leading her on because he loves someone else. But... he hurt Echo, and so Emil's face needs to hurt a little for it.

Is Ratatosk still angry with Peridot for attacking Lloyd?

Yes. He holds grudges like no one's business. But his anger is pretty restrained because Peridot is also His Thing, and as long as Peridot has nothing to do with hurting Lloyd again, it's easy to focus on the other culprits in this situation: namely Ruby. We should probably be glad that Peridot won't let Ratatosk seek revenge via games.

How does Nick feel about Ratatosk's fit right now?

Nick has a lot of feelings! One is that Ratatosk is 100% justified in being angry that someone who obviously means a lot to him was hurt by people he should be able to trust to act in his best interests. And while he personally has no problem with targeting-as-revenge, the idea that they will eventually have no choice but to be, in part, responsible for killing an entire team kind of.... broke him into a heap of misery. He knows that Ratatosk is right, but he hates that he's right.

So basically, I think it sums up to Ratatosk's fit made him mostly feel very, very miserable.

What are Emilatosk's plans once he gets his memories back?

Find a way to get Marta out of the book. Be a legacy to help Peridot out as much as he can.

Which of them does Nick prefer? Emil, or Ratatosk?

Emil, no question. Although he doesn't have a problem with Ratatosk... He just finds Emil easier to get along with.

What do Emil and Ratatosk think of Nick?

Emil likes him! At least, he thinks he's one of the better adjusted new babbydots. He doesn't know him very well, but he'd like to. (Part of that is me; I'm sorry ha ha ha I fail at threading for LONG stretches of time). He thinks he's cute... and I mean. At least Nick is kind of willing to learn how to cook?

Ratatosk's opinion is a lot more nebulous. The babbydot that he has the strongest opinion on is Cal. The rest, he's just like, "Oh, they are Peridot. So I will go out of my way to protect them and wreck everyone that hurts them." Because Ratatosk is logical.

How does Nick feel, ICly, about Peridot vs. Citrine?

Nick really, really misses the friends he had from Citrine that are still in the book. If he could, he would probably do something stupid like trade himself to get all of them back out... But that being said, he thought of them as friends. Not really as a... team... Citrine never felt like they had a core "identity" to him. Not that he felt like they needed it. They were friends who happened to live together, whatever. It was fun.

Peridot's different! "Peridot", to him, is more like a "team". Unfortunately, he feels a little more distant overall to them as individuals. It's not that he dislikes anyone! He likes the team, he's fond of them... but it's not the same level of "friends", even though he's been on Peridot longer by this point. He feels that he could rely on them for support if he needed it, and that he can help them, and that there's a give-and-take where they can work together. But that close feeling of "friends who live together" isn't there.

Also, he likes the green better than the orange-brown on a purely aesthetic level.

Marta shows up right now, how does Emil react?

State of the Mako?

ALL OVER THE PLACE.

I did my initial state of the Mako after the game in Plurk, but it's changed some... Because he's actually hit his limit with a lot of things that he hadn't quite hit his limit with... and he had some threads with people where he spoke to people on teams and... settled for he just had to be mad on his own time. He couldn't legitimately blame them for anything that happened, since... it really wasn't about them. So, he's angry and painfully aware that he can't just be angry at the teams.

He'll be in a bad place for awhile as everything settles down. And he's also settled pretty firmly into Not Wanting To Know. He doesn't want to know what the team's thought processes are, he doesn't want to know who they voted on. he officially does not care, and does not think it would help him, or any of the other knights to know that sort of information. He has a huge suspicion that Ruby was part of the reason they died, and for that reason, he definitely Does Not Want To Know. He has Zuko there, and he doesn't want to flash back to CFUW where he ended up getting Ruby killed on accident.

However, I don't think that'll change the end reaction that he's done trying in games. This game beat that into him pretty thoroughly that it's just not worth it, unless with the knights.

Primarily what I think it changes is that he'll be more... neutral for awhile. Neutral is the best word for it, he won't be voicing his thoughts as quickly to the teams on the game, and will be more mechanical in conversation. He's also painfully aware of how Done he is with being a knight, and knows the fruitlessness of that ever changing. So... that's there too... hmm... His head is a mess right now, from battling impulses. So neutral is the safest place for him to be.

State of the Serah?

Serah is taking everything at her own pace which is very, very slowly . . . She knows that her limits are ready to be hit, so she is focusing on everything with one step at a time. I mean, she hasn't even broached the issue of what happened with the knights aside from randomly loosing it with Stealth. So, before anything else, she wanted to see how Lightning was going to deal . . . And just pull herself together by staying in an absolutely safe place. Not that she doesn't have any faith in her fellow knights, but her sister could wins over everyone, okay. Lightning seems to be leaning towards Personae murder and is including Serah which she is surprisingly more okay with than one would guess?! She made it clear that she is not going to do anything that she does not approve of which gives her a lot of power to control the situation that she normally does not push to have. She has an idea how badly it could go over, so she is giving her worrying tendency free roam on this one . . .

Beyond that, she doesn't have anything. Serah needs to do a lot more before she solidifies in her response to the situation, because what she has right now is raw emotion from what went down . . . Which she never really is one to show. She is always very careful about calculating her responses to situations and people, haha~.

How did you fight with your brother at this time, you loser . . . What did they fight over?

They fought over Mako hiding his being killed. And Mako having a ton of raw anger from the game and no good outlet for it just yet. Mako and Bolin have a pretty major thing between them, in that Mako expects Bolin to be able to hold his own when push comes to shove, but also doesn't completely see him as an equal. So, he wanted to protect him from what happened at the game and didn't tell him about dying.

Bolin found out anyway, and Mako was just too done to try and actually deal with what his brother was feeling... so he yelled at him to go away, and then kind of shut down.

It was pretty bad.

So, what did Serah get in exchange for patroning to Beauty? I'm not sure I caught that.

She went with the the hearing her name wherever it's called boon. She could have protected someone, but she really would not do that to Lightning . . . On the side, Serah asked Beauty to help her find a way back home in exchange for her help. But that is slightly more tenuous for reasons.

What's Mako think of Beauty?

Mako is really, really fond of Beauty, even if he doesn't act it. She fixed his scarf, and has dealt with his whining more than any other personae... It's really hard to not be a little bit fond of her. And he's worried about her, after how the game went down.

So... I guess, talking to Mako about patroning to Beauty kind of put the idea in his head, but he's not quite ready to pursue it yet.

Favorite five pieces of headcanon for yours?

Not sure about favorite, but I can see what I can remember off the top of my head:

✂ That time Gil did opium with Vincent . . .

✂ Everything to do with Vincent's appearance, hair butchery and all.

✂ All the Ada dates this one writer did. I kind of love how she writes them . . .

❣ Serah and Snow and NORA antics.

❣ I should bug Noel about Serah and him traveling antics . . . But that'll be a favorite when it happens.

❣ The fifty times Mog shot Noel down and the one time that he didn't.

What's Mako's room look like??

will ratatosk let lloyd hug him again

no, never

maybe

if the situation allowed for it

HOW IS LLOYD DOING :O

you're getting hugged

HE'S... OKAY?? I mean he's really low and sad and stuff right now! BUT it's Lloyd so when he has more time to recalibrate he'll be fine. His trust in the teams hasn't ultimately been shaken or anything and he'll be reassured on that front when he has more chance to flop on his teamfriends, he's dealt with having died before, and he was able to vent a little at a couple of people about the memories that made the game's result much worse for him. He has some problems with how he's had some of the game decisions explained to him that he'll need to address — he might discuss those with Ratatosk if he gets wind of Ratatosk's revenge plot — but at least that's addressable! There's also a plan to help David address the Mal issue and another plan to help her as a stopgap measure till David fixes it so that's good! As for the knight stuff, he feels a little lost on the direction to go with trying to address the problems that exist, since just because he's willing to take his usefulness and value to people on faith doesn't mean that he doesn't see the clear and justified problems that the rest of the knights (and indeed team members, no one was happy about that game happening) feel with the situation as it stands! However he doesn't doubt that there's something and a good night's rest and not being completely blind in one eye will put him well back on the path to trying to look for it anyway. He honestly just needs time and energy to balance himself towards forward movement in any situation. The difference here is that he'll probably be subdued, sensitive, and a little lower energy for a couple ic days here as he recovers. Emotional convalescence!

Is Mako ever going to talk to Bo properly?

Edited 2013-06-05 20:30 (UTC)

Yes! We have plans for them to talk to each other next IC day.

There are some problems with Mako not seeing Bolin as his equal, when it comes to events that Mako thinks requires some level of maturity. And this would be Bolin's chance to prove that, yeah, Mako can trust him with serious conversations and serious feelings. But that would depend entirely on how Bolin approaches this conversation.

Do you have any quests planned for Lloyd to get back into the swing of things from this?

HMMMM well checking my quest list he has two quests going right now! One is for a plot thing for Beauty and one is for a little thing of medicine from Madame White. They're both sort of appropriate here so I could start poking around at either of them; maybe the Madame White one is more themeatically appropriate for a start actually, and I've had that one longer anyway :'D

Would a quest or something help Mako right now? It seems like he doesn't have much direction for things to pursue besides "not that game."

Yes. Mako does best when he has something to do-- I handwave some of the stuff he does, like questing back and forth with Ling and learning from him. And just picking up odds and ends around Aather. But I think, after this thread with Apple, I'm going to throw him into the clinic too. He'd find the skills learned there really practical and carry on.

I have a few other ideas too.

WOULD LLOYD HAVE ANY ADVICE FOR MAKO...

Honestly just... find something that you care about and pursue it? Mako's really aimless in a lot of ways and Lloyd doesn't fully understand the extent of it or how it works because he doesn't know how to be aimless. He always immediately creates huge overarching goals and connects to them at a high level! But it works for him, so he'd recommend it. Anything past that would depend on how their conversation went.

Will Mako ever express how done he is with the knight system to Lloyd so Lloyd could give him advice...

... I'm not sure. He might, after this. But he tends to avoid the topic with other knights, because he considers it not something he really should talk about/complain about to them, or even most heroes. They're going through the same thing as him, if they have the same opinions, they'll let him know, he figures. And it's kind of presumptuous on his part to be like, "I'm done." when there are knights that have been here so much longer than he has.

What if Ratatosk hugged you again? IN A LESS EMOTIONAL TIME?

HE WOULD HUG BACK AND BE TOUCHED Lloyd's easy in these situations

Hmmmmm HOW DOES RATATOSK FEEL ABOUT GETTING SUMMON SPIRIT PHYSICS BACK?

:D

That pretty much sums up how Ratatosk feels. He's excited, because he ID's pretty hard with being a summon spirit, so to finally actually have a summon spirit body makes him happy, even if he can't really keep his form. The game has stopped him from experimenting, but I imagine, once things cool down, that is a post coming~

"THERE'S THIS WEIRD THING IN YOUR CABIN, PERIDOT. WHAT DO?"

Would Lloyd go with it if John told him he wanted a movie theater in Aather?

Maybe? He'd tell John he needed to put in the work for it. Frankly, the theater theater makes more sense to him. 8|a

Would John be a theater buff as well as a movie buff?

Nah, he'd let the real theater guys do that. He just likes the silver screen!

State of the Mogget?

Mogget's fine! He's irritated because everyone on his team keeps moping about dying and that galvanized him to actually do something about it by going to make sure at least one team wouldn't thoughtlessly kill them because they're unpopular, but other than that he's fine. He didn't really care about the game at all. If the rest of Jasper wasn't so sensitive he'd just sleep through games and take it honestly.

Five things your character hates, for two of your characters!

ARE THERE ANY UPDATES WITH JOHN AND TAVROS...

JOHN THINKS TAVROS IS COOL, now that he knows he supports his movie idea. So, bonus points for you, Breath Bro.

John put Ruby off limits because he didn't want his war with Tavros to go in that direction-- he much prefers stupid snowball fights and giving each other colds to anything on the. Dying level. Other than that, he enjoys his friendrivalry with Tavros. That's simple and easy and no one has to die over it and it follows rules John can understand.

REVERSE?

It's the same with Tavros! Kunzite is off limits and he considers is derprivalry with John as a derpy... thing? HE CONSIDERS JOHN A FRIEND that he also happens to be a rival with too! And that is why Kunzite is off limits. He doesn't want to even touch the dying level! That's kind of an actual general thing with any of his super close Homestuck friends, though. Any teams or TEAMS THAT HAVE LIKE DAVE or Karkat when he was around were a giant N O P E if it could be avoided. Also death is really sad and might cause a war because Naha has a history of going after people that have hurt Ruby so LET'S AVOID THAT MESS.

He kinda judges Con Air and he wishes he could show John what TRUE GOOD MOVIES ARE TOO but his favorite movie involves chestbursting plushies so how about no right now. How do you feel about the idea of Troll Hook???

But yeah, John is actually someone he considers to be a close friend despite rivalries since that's just a derprivalry and derprivalries don't get in the way of bros tbh.

HOW DOES JOHN FEEL ABOUT ROSE GOODENDING 8(

John's sad about it! Because Rose is his good friend, and even if he's pretty sure he's not actually going to marry her, he liked having her around to talk and confide in, because she's one of his best friends.

But as long as she's still reachable through the candles, it's more like it was at home. And John is happy for that too. I mean, better to have internet chatting than no chatting what-so-ever! So, he can still talk to her and see how she's doing, or tell her how he's doing.

She's gone, but not out of reach. Which limits John's sads.

How does Tavros feel about it?

John's thoughts on trauma games? :|a

John doesn't like them. He thinks they're lame and horrible, and if he stopped and thought about it, he'd be really sad over everything happening. But he also doesn't like that he feels coddled during them-- the very first one, he was pretty much prohibited from taking part, because baby and because Dave. This second one, he felt more divorced from the choices. He would have rathered bus himself, but Kise was upset and he didn't want to push that.

He just isn't sure he agrees with Kunzite's way of tackling trauma games. Yes, we lived, but I kind of feel bad about it, and so I have to go watch Con Air over and over to make myself feel better.

How many levels did Lambda gain in the game?

why does john exist

Also does he have any feelings on the parasite game aside from 'that is not cute'

That is not cute is a legit feeling.

No, John's pretty horrified that the game happened. He's just being John about it, and not focusing on the fact that it made all his friends, and most of his teammates sad. He's focusing on how he can help, or how he can at least focus on something that wasn't the game.

Because Aliens is a great movie in theory, when you know it's fake and no one actually got hurt from chest-bursting monsters. But it's a different thing entirely when it's real people, with real monsters bursting out of their chest. And then she didn't even bother to heal them most of the way! N... No, that's not cool. Not cool at all. I'm just. Not going to focus on how not cool it is, because I figure it's kind of really obvious by now.

How does Sol feel about the game, or about which teams were chosen to die? Is he aware of all the knights dying?

I went over most of his game feelings on plurk, but it essentially sums up to not okay. I can never stress enough how jarring it is for him to have had any sort of conscious hand in killing people; for him, taking a life is the absolute worst thing you can do. The chestburster thing was just the icing on the cake to make the nightmares worse, really; he's used to seeing death, but not quite that unnecessarily gruesome. The fact that he couldn't find any loopholes or ways around the game mechanics made him feel very trapped, and that's not something he's used to- he's a detective, he should always be able to find a way out- and yet even in a situation that goes so against his very being he turned to the one thing he could do: helping to protect his team. So he did participate in the game, if only minorly. So now the problem is that the game is over and he was able to help the injured a little and all but he still feels trapped. There's no way out of this guilt, for him. He can only take the time to suppress it.

In each round there was one team that died that Amethyst had played a stone on. Granted I think it was only Iolite that actually died from an accumulation of stones from multiple teams as opposed to bussing themselves/being bussed by another team, but he took note of it. It isn't something he's planning to talk about, but he's going to remember that he had a hand, however small or inconsequential, in the deaths of Citrine, Iolite, and Peridot. However, due to the nature of the game he feels like everyone bears some guilt for everyone that died- we were all murderers in that game, essentially. He didn't have a lot of personal attachment to any of the teams that died, but he didn't need to- one of the things that first threw him about this game was his team promptly picking out which teams they didn't want to target, and it just baffled him that they would so quickly pick favorites when they really had no right to take anyone's life. There was Berry and Star, but even with that he was able to keep his distance. With how independent he is, he just hasn't been around long enough to make many strong connections.

He is aware of all the knights dying; Amethyst didn't place any stones on knights, but he saw when they died. He isn't fully aware of the pre-existing tension to do with some knights feeling like they're disposable to teams, but even without that he can kinda gather that it really looks that way from this game. That implication does bother him some, but one game like this isn't enough to prove to him that this is the case and that it wasn't just one or two teams deciding to target the knights.

How did Mako feel about the game (besides in horrendous pain)? I saw Bolin found out, how is that working out for him?

MAKO HATES EVERYTHING ABOUT THE GAME. I also wrote about this in my plurk, but Mako's pissed. He hates the games where there's no choice: someone will die. This has only happened twice in Aather, and both times traumatized the hell out of him. There was CFUW where his best efforts to minimize the number of people killed failed. Badly. And blew up in his face in a way that he wasn't emotionally prepared for, that he still has a lot of anger and guilt left over.

This time, he doesn't have as much to be guilty over, but he's angry. He's angry that there was really nothing they could do, and he's angry that pretty much all the knights were left to die. And that the fact that they were left to die wasn't even about them. And he wants to be angry at the people who made that choice! But he knows how much it sucks having that anger directed at you when. You really don't want it to be. So. There's that.

There's also that Mako hates dying. This. Was a traumatizing death! No lie. But it was also not burning to death, losing your dead father's scarf in the fire, and having horrific flashbacks to your parents' deaths. So while not being healed fully, and realizing you were about split in half is a hard thing to think about, Mako can keep that part separate from "But I died." And the "But I died" part is as freaky and unsettling to him as anything about the death. This death just has less horrific, specific to Mako, trauma buttons so he can't get completely overwhelmed like he did with CFUW.

Then, finally... this game makes him think of CFUW.

That is enough to make him want to shut down, which Bolin ran smack into. Bolin has the problem that Mako does want to protect him, and therefor was never completely honest about what happened in CFUW. So when Bolin got angry, justifiably, at Mako for hiding his death again, Mako couldn't do much more than. Yell at him to get out and then shut down.

It's. Not going well for him.

Sol's opinions on Mako and John?

john on rose /o/

JOHN LOEV ROSE. He may not love her, but he loev her. And he wants to keep being one of her derpy best friends forever. He's sad she's no longer within reach! But not as sad as he could be, because the candles are still a step up from Pesterchum. So he can still reach out to her for advice and to see how she's doing. He's already plotting trying to make her a congratulatory gift for graduating Aather, as he sees it.

Because that's how John rolls. He just has to think of something meaningful, and the moment it comes to him, he's going to send it to her.

Rose on John?

ROSE ALSO LOEV JOHN. She doesn't really love him in the sense that her 'love' is reserved specifically for her parents and also for other ladies who she loves in a more sexual/romantic sense, but she also loevs him. She wishes he was closer, because she wants to be able to noogie him and watch movies with him. But she's done this for years, and she hadn't heard from him in three years in her memories, so even getting to see him over candlecall is enough.

How does John feel about Kunzite!!

Mako on Selenia?

Mako actually trusts Selenia. Like, he thinks there might be some things off base with Selenia's interpretation of things, but mostly he sees Selenia as someone trying really, really hard to manage Aather. And let's be frank, Aather is a hard thing to manage, much less understand. So he doesn't even hold it against him. And Selenia is one of the few people Mako feels okay voicing his frustrations with the system-- his conversations with other knights tend to veer towards "how does the system work" and his conversations with other team players tend to be really, really shallow.

So Selenia fits a pretty big niche for Mako. I think that hasn't so much as changed as... solidified as a thing. Though it might be awkward with the conversation he's having with your teammate right now.

Reverse?

John on Kira first

Rose pointed out to John that Kira was like his mother, and John concurred with her. You're like my mother, you just have the wrong eye color and way less affinity for pranks. So, there is that.

But John likes Kira well enough! She seems a lot more serious and... well balanced in some ways, personality-wise, than his friends and family are. But she's still willing to indulge and roll with John's more mischievous and, well, ADHD side. She'll talk about Con Air, she'll listen to him prattle on about his memories, even when his memories make no sense to him and are otherwise pretty horrifying... John would talk to Kira about just about anything. And while that is not super, duper difficult to get to that point with him... it's still important, because he is an overly sincere idiot.

Reverse?

I am very curious how the comparison to John's mom came up with Rose. =O

She likes John! She likes all of Kunzite, but Kira has a weakness for the overly sincere types. His antics are cute and they're a pretty nice distraction and really she just finds him adorable. IF IT EVER CAME UP, she would yan super hard for him, because she's always particularly protective of her overly sincere people. Though she'd prefer to yan without him knowing. (You know safe people, John.)

She is kind of worried about his whole not thinking about the terrible things. On one hand, it does help make him manageable in the trauma games and apparently help with his memories which she never knows how to react to. On the other hand, Kira is VERY AWARE of how harmful not acknowledging reality can be. But she's just kind of watching because shouldn't destroy teammate's world view.

Also his world is weird.

How about Mako?

Mako likes Kira! He's wary about her just because... protective over baby brother. But she hasn't tripped his senses that anything is wrong until very, very recently.

He's a little more forgiving of things being different between worlds, but this skill thing is like... "What..." So, he's like. :|a? He needs to talk to her a little more on his own to make up his mind-- he can tell whatever it is, it screws with his feelings but he's not sure if it's something she wants to do, based off of her reaction. Otherwise, she's been a voice of sensibility for him before, especially with regards to his brother. So, he. He trusts her to a certain level!

He knows that she tries to be good people. At the very least.

Reverse?

She tries so hard to be good people. WHY IS GOOD PEOPLE HARD.

She likes Mako well enough. Not enough to define him as 'her thing,' but likes him enough that when combined with being Bolin's thing, it makes her think twice before letting him get hurt. (This is actually pretty rare to apply to her Things' things.) She also likes him enough to FEEL BAD when her charm magic is working on him specifically. She also finds him cute and incredibly awkward. She finds it amusing. She's also realizing the amount of trust Mako is putting in her because of that. Since she knew weeks about the whole dead parents thing before Bolin is one thing and more recently that Mako didn't outright disapprove of her and Bolin when he realized she was kind of messed up. Whenever she actually gets around to taking her Manipulation skill (which has a lot of her normal people understanding), she'll realize how much trust he had to have to do that. She's got an idea because she deliberately picked through her memories for better understanding of that sort of situation, but it's still one place removed.

She's also pretty grateful to him! She really doesn't want to hurt her Things, especially not because of her crazy, and really the first point where Kira started to really trust Mako. It's easy for her to like people, but trust takes a good long while and to get it without being Thing status is a pretty big thing. Just someone who could go 'no, that's not normal,' but be cool about it when it involved his brother just means a whole lot to her. It's not enough trust to tell him what her skill was, but to be fair, she wouldn't have told Kunzite either if she could have avoided it. :') So there's a bit of stock in listening to what he has to say because even if he's awkward, he's also good at being direct on pretty important things.

He also seems like a good brother and she actually secretly approves of him trying to keep things like he died away from Bolin. Because that's terrible. (She will still side with Bolin though because she's fine being a hypocrite.) But she would like to talk to him more, she does enjoy his company.

What are John's thoughts on Kira having a mindfuck ability she can't control?

STOP! ... QUESTION TIME.

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